Night 11 Taraweeh - Madeenah

1st Ten Rakah led by Sheikh 'Abdul Muhsin al Qaasim


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2nd Ten Rakah led by Sheikh Hussain ale Sheikh


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Witr led by Sheikh Hussain ale Sheikh


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14 comments:

Muzahid said...

Thanks to Sheikh Qasim and Asking Knowledge about Two Points.

I attended to three nights Presentation of Sheikh Qasim. Al-Ma’idah [82-end] & Al-An’am [1-36]; Al-A’raf [85-170]; At-Tawbah [122-end] & Al-Yunus [1-70]. It is a good object that, judge Al-Qasim doesn’t miss the form “Madde Munfasil”, except a few [Illa Qalila]. I watched that, Haramain Imams are attentive about all the Maad without “Madde Munfasil”. Next they are alert about “Madde ‘Ardee” moderately, not seriously.

Sometimes we watch that, “Madde Muttasil/Lazim” is as if flying [from Sheikh Juhany and Sheikh Sudais]. But normally they overlook the form “Madde Munfasil”. It is not the place for long discussion. Just I want to know the gist/abstract about my questions.

First: Are all the Maad [10 types] related to expression of meaning of Arabic/Quranic words? Or? Are the forms only for art and beauty?
Second: Are the forms “Madde Munfasil” and “Madde ‘Ardee” less important than the others?
Added that, I am not well in the Arabic language, but listen in Quran Tilawat with a “word by word translation book with major notes” [Bangla]. Alhamdulillah!!!

Anonymous said...

what did Sheikh Hussein say before witr?

Anonymous said...

he was just saying screaming and shouting during witr is not from the etiquettes of dua and is disrespectful

Bint Saghir said...

To Brother Muzahid
Sheikh Al-Qasim doesn’t miss Madd-e-Ja’iz Munfasil because He recitate the Quran in a normal tone while the others increases and decreases their reciting speed.
According to the latest knowledge there are 7 styles to recite the Holy Quran, in one among them there is no need to pay 6 harakaat to madd-e-ared-lis sakoon only 2 are sufficient.
Sometime the imams mix up Madd-e-Wajib Muttasil with Madd-e-Jai’z Munfasil because the minimum harakaat of Madd-e-Wajib Muttasil and the maximum harakaat of Madd-e-Jai’z Munfasil are same i.e. 4 to 5
Now with the reference to your
First question
Madd means “to increase, to add” and all of them are of great importance in Arabic language as well as Quranic expression. Which are the ten types of Madood you are saying? Can you mention them?
Second question
The importance of all Madoods is equal but they only differs when one changes its recitation style.

Bint Saghir said...

The Translation of what sheikh said before witr is as follow.
In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful. All the praises and thanks are to Allah, the Lord of the Alamin (mankind, jinn and all that exists). And Peace and Blessings be upon our Prophet Muhammed on His Offspring and his Companion. I ask Allah Jalla waala the acceptance from me and you. O honored, few among you are raising their voice when saying Ameen that it’s becomes like a scream, and there is no doubt that this is not the track of Muhammad. All of us and they among us likes virtuous, there is no doubt that this virtuousness should be within the track of Muhammed May Allah’s Graces and Mercy be upon Him. It is necessary for etiquettes of dua to be in a low weak and trembling voice. Some of the scholars have mentioned the screams and load voice as interruption in the acceptance of duaa. Then it’s a great place, a place to respect with the Messenger May Allah’s Graces and Mercy is upon Him. I refuge Allah to let us follow the sunnah in saying and performing.
And Allah knows best

Muzahid said...

To Brother Bint Saghir:

Much thanks for your help. I am starting from your last line. You said that, all the Maad are equally important. But once [from blog page of 28th May, 2012, Ka’ba Fajr]; I knew that, “Madde Munfasil” is optional. Above you also said the forms, “Madd-e-Ja’iz Munfasil” and “Madd-e-Wajib Muttasil”. I know “Ja’iz” maens Mubah/Halal and “Wajib” maens obligatory/must be do. So make me clearer.

You also said that, one among 7 styles, there is no need to pay 6 harakaat to madd-e-ared-lis sakoon only 2 are sufficient. I am not sure about 4/5/6 harakaat. Possibly 2 harakaat make One Alif Maad. Is it correct?

You requested me to mention about 10 types of Maad, I had said. Yes!!! Mainly three types and totally 10 types.

First: Three Types of One Alif Maad: “Madde Tab’e”, “Madde Badl”, and “Madde Leen”.
Second: Two Types of Three Alif Maad: “Madde ‘Ardee” and “Madde Munfasil”. But according to the information, you had said; “Madde ‘Ardee” may be recited as One Alif Maad.

Third: Five Types of Four Alif Maad: “Madd-e-Wajib Muttasil” and four types of “Madde Lazim”.

Anonymous said...

Assalamu Alykum

Dear brothers and sisters its not called missing the mad its called qasr al munfasil which is allowed. MashaAllah muhsin al qasim does not make it short maybe he is used to it and the way he recites is quikers then other imams.

Anonymous said...

While sheikh Hussain was advising people not to shout during witr... i heard sheikh hudhaify saying smething in the background .. what was the respected sheikh saying ?

Muzahid said...

Is it sufficient to recite the “Qasr al Munfasil” as like “Madde Tab'e”? Or "Madde Leen/Badl"? [as like one Alif Maad?] Then; is the form “Madde Muttasil/Lazim” wajib/must be say? Kindly say in a few lines.

Anonymous said...

couldn't hear but i heard something like ta'meen, which refers to saying aameen.

Bint Saghir said...

To Brother Muzahid
“Madd-e-Ja’iz Munfasil is optional” means it’s optional to pay 4 or 5 harakaat otherwise 2 harakaat are necessary one cannot skip it. That’s what I mean when I said all Madoods are of equal importance.

I don’t know what “one Alif madd” means but if I suppose that it means 2 harakaat then it will become wrong then you are describing the third type of Madd because there is no Madd with 8 harakaat.
I did ask you to mention ten types of Madood to let myself know whish kind of knowledge you are having in Tajweed because different people teach it with a different way. Your description is totally different from mine.
By the way "Bint" stands for daughter

Muzahid said...

To Sister Bint Saghir:
Thanks for Effort and Request for More Information:

Assalamu ’Alaikum. I know “Binte” stands for daughter. But you draw “Bint”, excluding “e”. Then I mistook. Possibly you are an Arabian. I am not well in the language. Though it is not place for long discussion, I became compelled to write 4th letter. Then hope it is the last about present discussion. Now I think that, the books & method [on Tilawat] of our country should be improved and revised. My country is Bangladesh. So request you for more gist/abstract. Then I shall submit this page to our Imams/scholars, also discuss with them.


At first you may give answer about my 3rd comment in this page. No one sent answer yet. There are two questions. Added that, at first I knew name of the form “Qasr al Munfasil” from Anonymous comment; see above. Next you will mention all Maad, you had learnt. As like I wrote 10 types [mainly 3 types]. You said that, you are not familiar to the forms: “One, Three and Four Alif Maad”. Is it also about Madde Tab’e? Madde Leen & Madde Badl?


Now about 2 harakat & One Alif Maad: A famous Bangla book is on my table. Translation of the structure: “The time so as need to read two harakat, is One Alif Maad”. So Four Alif [Muttasil/Lazim] = 8 harakat. I never thought about this problem. I knew from you that, there is no Maad with 8 harakat.


Then compare among Judge Al-Qasim and Sh. Juhany & Sh. Sudais. According to the knowledge, we had learnt: Sheikh Qasim is correct about “Madde Munfasil”. But others two Imams are continuing Madde Tab’e/One Alif Maad. So they are missing the “Madde Munfasil”. But Anonymous said above; this is “Qasr al Munfasil”; I read the term at first in my life. So our books must be rearranged. After your writing about the mention in your country/Arabian method; I shall send this page to our scholars.


At last: I am continuing English only during last 6 months. In the past, I never thought about writing in English. It was very difficult to me. Even didn’t/couldn’t read English paper. I wrote articles only 2/4 times per year in Bangla. I am a High School teacher.


The heart/source of my present beautiful task was Makkah Taraweeh 1432; watched in peace TV Bangla. Especially picture creating recitation of Dr. Abdullah Juhany. Silvery gift of Allah in the Ka’ba. Then thought; I should/may try to express feelings in English. Afterward I wrote an article about “Study on Al-Quran Recitation, Application and Suggestion”. Practical basis: Makkah Taaweeh 1432 and 1425. I want to send you the paper. You may send your e-mail ID to the address: [email removed by admin] or here; as your wish. At the end, thanks to HR for publishing the long discussion. Zajhakallah Khair.

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Bint Saghir said...

Wa Alaik Assalam yes it is sufficient to recite madd-e-munfasil as madd-e- tabi’e madd-e-baddl or madd-e- leen (when Madd-e- Leen is in between otherwise at the end there are 4to 6 harakaat of it)

Now to your 4 paragraph firstly why did you said Judge to Al-Qasim and Sheikh to the Others, we are discussing them on the basis of their recitation so it was quite better to address them in a single manner. Meanwhile let me tell you that this is the first and foremost reason for my answering to you.
And Qasr al munfasil is nothing other than Madd-e-Jaiz al Munfasil(with 2 harakaats)

THE MADOODS:
Yes there are mainly 3 with several branches as under.

1) Madd Asli or Tabi’i
Its letters are ﻱ ﻭ‎ ﺎ‎ (2 harakaats)
2) Madd-e-ghair Tabi'i or Madd-e-far'i(with 2 factors)
A) After Harf-e madd when there is a Hamza.i.e.
Madd-e-Ja'iz Munfasil (2, 4, 5 harakaats)
Madd-e-Wajib Muttasil(4, 5, 6 Harakaats)
B) After Harf-e-madd when there is Sakoon.i.e.
Madd Arid lis Sakoon(2, 4, 6 harakaats)
Madd Lazim(6 harakaat)
Madd Lazim Kalmi Musakal
Madd Lazim Kalmi Mukhaffaf
Madd Lazim Harfi Musakal
Madd Lazim Harfi Mukhaffaf
3) Related Madoods
Madd Al Badl(2 harakaat)
Madd Al badl Asli
Madd Tashbeeh Bil Badl
Madd Al Leen(2, 4, 6 harakaats)
Madd Al Iwad(2 harakaats)
Madd Tamkeen(2 harakaat)
Madd As Sila
Madd As Sila Qubra(2, 4, 5 harakaats)
Madd As Sila Sughura(2 harakaats)
Its not in my knowledge whether you can get these books on Quranic Tajweed or no but I would like them to be shared with you,
فتح المجید رسالہ فی علم اتجوید Written by Ahmed bin Mehmood bin Ibraheem Addeeb

المفید فی علم التجوید Written by Alhajjah Hayah Ali Al Hussaini

I appreciate your efforts but let me remind you that we all gather here for the sake of ALLAH and our love with HARAMAIN. I think I am able to satisfy you.